Narcissism is a dirty word recently levelled at me. What am I to do?

What does it cost me to suspend doubt and work on it anyway?  Nothing.  Embrace it and change.

This post is likely to be the first of many on this topic.

I can’t help but think of narcissism as a dirty word.  A nasty character trait.  It is an echo-box word for me too, because I know so many women who lament the trait of narcissism in men and how corrosive it has been in their lives.


I wrote about this before, a post about accepting that there are aspects of me which might be narcissistic.  The finger was pointed at me by someone whom I trusted implicitly at the time, and whose assertion really rocked me.  You know who.  Subsequently, my level of trust in that person declined, possibly related to how I felt about her assertion, but also in response to how she felt about relating to me as a narcissist.  Whether I am one or not, the outcome is the same—we can’t work together.

My question is this.  If the outcome is the same, whether I am an actual narcissist, then why not accept it and work on it?  That’s a tough one.

For one, my rational mind screams ‘no’.  In all my years of life and years of good and bad relationships, not one person has ever levelled that charge at me before.  Second, in over 2 decades of therapy, the topic has never come up.  Indeed, recently, when I asked all four of my therapists [yes, you read that right…there is a posse at work here], every single one of them said ‘no’.  Only one said, “well, narcissism also speaks to certain traits that are present in all of us, but I’m not comfortable with that as a label.”

Another said, “if you are asking yourself whether you are a narcissist, you’re not.”  That was my main therapist.  My best friend said the same thing.  She has known me for several decades.  So, those are the voices lined up in the “no” column.  In the yes column was one person who has been affected by narcissists and so is sensitive to the tendences in the people in her life and how they affect her.  Her assessment of me was corroborated by people whose motives and expertise were easy to question by my rational mind.

So, while my mind is telling was coming up with all kinds of ways to debunk her assertion, over time my heart has understood that she could not possibly have any underlying motivation to say this to me unless it were true.  What could she possibly gain from that?  Nothing.

And indeed, before we reached an impasse, while I was willing to work on it and accept it, there was hope for the future.  But sometimes criticism can be too much, or is poorly timed, or simply not welcome, or one becomes sensitive to it (all traits of a narcissist), and so I pushed back on the “diagnosis”.  Once I rebelled she folded up her tent.  I want to say “damned if I do, damned if don’t,” but it is way more complicated than that.  In the end, what matters is the outcome. And the outcome was one I didn’t want.

While this was playing out, other things were playing out, and I don’t know if they are related, but the collectively served to loosen ties.  And this, for me, has been an important lifelong coping mechanism.  When someone close is hurting me, I seek ways to feel less close, so that they can’t hurt me as much.  Do you do this?

Enter the wife

If there is one person whose views I would trust on this matter it is my wife.  Only of late our interactions have been laced with bitterness and anger and hurt.  Indeed, even though we are co-habiting right now, and “not talking” about the elephants in the room (who would have thought that me being trans seems to be more about her), every few hours she comes into my room, closes the door, and levels some new bombshell at me.

That I stole from her.  That I lie to her.  That she can’t trust me.  That I have denied her sexuality.  That I have robbed her of her self-confidence.  That I have destroyed her faith in marriage.  That I have destroyed her chances of ever finding happiness.  That I am cruel.  That I am particularly cruel for telling her that she couldn’t depend on me for her happiness, that she needed to find that happiness in herself.  That I am a horrible person.  That I don’t respect her as a mother.  It was during one of these at least once-a-day unburdening sessions that she levelled the word narcissist at me.  Yes.  It came in a barrage of other terms of endearment: selfish, self-centred, manipulative, cold, cruel…but when she said it, I guess you can imagine it registered.

“Do you really think I’m a narcissist?” I asked, thinking uh-oh, this is not the time to be asking her.

“You are so selfish,” she said.

“But, a narcissist?”

“Hasn’t anyone ever told you that before?”

“No.  And who other than you?  Surely in 25 years if you felt that, you would have said it?”

At the same time, while nobody wants to admit to being a rotten person, or admit to some very massive flaws, nobody in their right mind would also ever want to have them.  What is the purpose of a journey to become a better, more complete, happier person, comfortable in my own skin, happy, out, living my life as my best me, and finding out that I’m a jerk, or worse, a narcissist?

Let’s take a closer look at Narcissism

Narcissism is a form of self-involvement that makes a person ignore the needs of those around them.  True narcissists will disregard others or their feelings.  Narcissists can often be charming and charismatic.  Narcissism exists on a spectrum, with healthy pathology to unhealthy.

Narcissists often like to surround themselves with people who feed into their ego, and build relationships to reinforce their ideas about themselves, even if those relationships are superficial.  There are two types of narcissism: grandiose and vulnerable.

The grandiose narcissist typically grew up being treated as superior to others, and this trait carries forward into adulthood.  They tend to brag and be elitist or arrogant.  They tend to be aggressive, domineering, and to exaggerate their importance.  They are very self-confident, and not sensitive.

The vulnerable narcissist comes most usually from a childhood of neglect or abuse.  These people are more sensitive.  Narcissistic behaviour is a coping mechanism designed to protect these people from feelings of inadequacy.  They may drift between feelings of inferiority and superiority but will most often feel offended or anxious when they are not made to feel special.

Narcissism is a pathology which is relatively less well understood, as most narcissists do not accept the diagnosis or seek treatment.  What are some common signs?

  • A sense of entitlement…the rules don’t apply
  • Manipulative behaviour…they may try to please and impress you at first, but their needs will soon assert themselves.  Narcissists will typically keep people at a distance to help maintain control over them
  • Need for admiration…a near constant need for praise or admiration…such people may brag a lot or exaggerate their accomplishments
  • Lack of empathy…unwilling or unable to empathise with the needs, wants or feelings of others.  They struggle to take responsibility for their own behaviour
  • Arrogance…the narcissist sees themselves as superior to others so can be rude or aggressive when they do not feel they are being treated as they deserve

Narcissism is also characterised by an excessive interest in one’s own appearance (is my focus on body image and health and wellness a trait of narcissism?).  That said, the term narcissism, particularly in the age of social media (I’ve even wondered if blogging is an exercise in narcissism, or whether BDSM is its antidote), has become heavily overused and misused.  Narcissism is technically a pathology, and to say it exists on a spectrum is to dilute its meaning.  In truth, what can be said is that true narcissism is an imbalance in what are otherwise essential or healthy traits.  “Healthy narcissism” is correlated with good psychological health: self-esteem, an absence of gloom, a generally cheery outlook.

Modern thinking on narcissism has focussed in on four dimensions:

  • Leadership/authority
  • Superiority/arrogance
  • Self-absorption/self-admiration
  • Exploitativeness/entitlement

Narcissism is a normal personality trait.  High levels of it, however, become pathological and self-defeating…which might be characterised by “feelings of entitlement and superiority, arrogant or haughty behaviours, and a generalised lack of empathy and concern for others.  Sigmund Freud described the pathological version or narcissism as, “a pathology which manifests itself in the inability to love others, a lack of empathy, emptiness, boredom, and an unremitting need to search for power, while making the person unavailable to others.”  As an interesting aside, sexual narcissism “has been described as an egocentric pattern of sexual behaviour that involves an inflated sense of sexual ability or sexual entitlement, sometimes in the form of extramarital affairs.”

Narcissism as a disorder is posited as making up roughly 6% of the US population.  Women are less likely to be narcissists, with an estimated 4% v. 8% for men.  It isn’t hard to see how this is possibly a by-product of social conditioning.  So many boys grow up in families where both their assertiveness and desire for power are praised, meanwhile the same traits are often discouraged, or worse, in girls.

Narcissism and its Outcomes

Interestingly, narcissists are more likely to become leaders than other people.  This is born from their self-belief and their wish to control.  There is a self-reinforcing positive feedback loop associated with those two traits, fed in turn by positive feedback.  It is cheeky of me to say so, but the Dom/me would surely be fed by this too.  You might argue that these are positive traits and common in leaders, even necessary.  But they can also mask deeper issues and very easily go awry.

“Narcissism is associated with various interpersonal dysfunctions, including an inability to maintain healthy long-term relationships, and may result in unethical behaviour and aggression.  In other words, our narcissism could be a sign that something is deeply wrong both in our relationship with ourselves and therefore our relationship with the world.”

— Emily Grijalva, assistant professor of organization and human resources at the University at Buffalo School of Management

Interestingly, how narcissism manifests is different depending on the sex.  [Yes, that is me reporting on gender bias].

“When male narcissists are angry, they tend to be aggressive and explosive. When female narcissists are angry, they’ll punish their victims by withholding attention and affection.  Female narcissists utilise neglect or guilt as a form of control, whereas male narcissists are more likely to utilize power and status as a form of control.”

–Psychoanalyst Babita Spinelli

[I would note that I display the female form of narcissism, not the male kind—so, I guess that there is a silver lining].

Spinelli further asserts:

“In an attempt to mask their insecurities or flaws, female narcissists tend to be overly concerned with their physical appearance and social image.  The female narcissist is not genuinely interested in things like character and values unless it is used as part of her image.  Material items like clothes and cars can help validate their insecurities.”


This can be become particularly acute with children, as apparently female narcissists often regard their children as extensions of themselves whereas male narcissists do not…and this may lead to pressure on the child from the mother to raise her status.

Final thoughts on narcissism

It is hard not to see oneself in many of these points…and I include the gender distinctions as both contain relevance.  Do you as a reader find yourself in them?  I would think that these are traits we all share.  The issue is when they rise to an unhealthy level.

I will accept that something in me provoked feelings in someone else that screamed of narcissism in an intolerable way.  Perhaps this person is more sensitive than others to this.  In truth it doesn’t matter.  What matters is that this is/was a person I care deeply about and who felt she had to reject me for feelings of being triggered by narcissism.  If not for her, what if there is someone else in my future who I care about that has the same issue?  In truth, why not for me?  Who wants to let one’s own “way-of-being” rule the way we are felt and perceived by others?  I sure don’t.  Not unless it is to make people feel good about themselves for being around me.

I would surely welcome anyone who is wrestling with any aspects of this to join me in DMs or on this blog to further this discussion for the purposes of healing and growth.

An Aside on Narcissism as National Character

There is an interesting stub on Wikipedia which posits that American Culture since the Second World War has diverged from much of the rest of the world, and has become increasingly a “me” society, increasingly narcissistic.  This is an idea that would merit its own post.  As someone who lives in both the US and overseas, I do see this certainly manifested in both good and bad ways in popular culture, in the relentless desire to improve the self, but also in national politics.

Personal Growth through an Intervention

I don’t know if you have had times in your life where you were confronted by aspects of yourself that upset other people, made you hard to be around, and then used these openings to change yourself.  I can remember as if it were yesterday, my first real leadership role at work.  I had been sent to another country to work for one of my company’s prestige client accounts, and I had a team of people who were all expats like me, some from the US, some from Europe, some experienced, but mostly not.  It doesn’t matter what industry we were in, or that the client was in, other than to say that both were characterised by, even famous for, a macho laddish culture that saw us working hellish hours, delivering “at any cost” and being always on the road.  It was a high-stress environment.

As a first-time team lead, I had a lot riding on a successful outcome, more so because how important this client was to our company.  The senior partners who “owned” the relationship were some of the most senior people in our company globally.  One bad word from one of them would end a career, and of course, delivering for them would be a boon.  My main client was a business school classmate of one of these two heavyweights, so I had no doubt that the information would flow.

Our team structure saw me spending the bulk of my day with the client in their building, while my team stayed back at our office, doing the work.  There was a team manager who was also green, my age, and similarly stressed.  It was his second time managing a team, and his previous team lead, a “friend” at work, said very good things about him, but that he needed to be given clear direction.

The rest of the team, another 5 people, ranged in experience from having done a few projects to one lad who had never done one before, and who was woefully ill-equipped to do the job he was brought to do.  Indeed, he essentially had a nervous breakdown in the first week.

Outside of the office there was violence in the streets.  On my first day in the client’s offices, someone opened fire with a machine gun on a bunch of police standing around, killing several of them.  Retaliation soon followed, and the police descended on the area and more or less randomly shot people that made the mistake of still being in the area.  I could hear it all way up on the 30th floor of my client’s building.  The distinctive popping noise was a punctuating backdrop to conversations with the executives I was having as I did my rounds.

That morning when I was being dropped off, my driver said, “I am going to wait here.  Leave the door open.  I will leave the car running, and I won’t leave until you are safely inside the building.  If you see or hear anything, then you come running and you dive right into the van and we’ll speed off.”

“That’s all right,” I had said not quite believing him.  Well, it didn’t take long for me to appreciate the care.  

The same care was in operation in the evenings when we left the office.  The team secretary carried a pistol in the waistband of her skirt to go to the locked company parking lot where we worked.  “You never know,” she said as she cocked it and stuffed it into her waistband.  I don’t like guns.

All these factors combined to put me under intense stress, my team under intense stress, and it brought out the worst in me.  I was rude, domineering, sharp, short, unpleasant.  And it was very evident.  I remember being on the phone with some hapless employee of some company and I was just thinking how dumb this person was, and I was so rude, and at one point I used the “f-word” and hung up.  It was horrible, but it felt so normal and necessary and justified in the moment.  That is what stress does to you.  Brings out the worst.  The thought of it still shames me.

One evening while we were still in the office, my number two called a team meeting.  He stood up and spoke for the team, as he lived with them and worked with them all day every day.  He said that they had to tell me that my behaviour was intolerable.  They used the phone example above as one of several that they collectively found unacceptable.  I listened. And at the end of it, I said, “I accept your criticism.  I see it, and that isn’t the kind of person I want to be.  I’m very sorry for this, and I will stop it.”  I teared up, promised to change, and then we all went out to dinner.

I did change.  The project ended up being a success for all of us, the client was over-the-moon, and over the years, my number two and I had very parallel careers both in our company and beyond and became fast friends.  As a funny aside, one of the team members, a very attractive blonde woman who was several years younger than me showed up in her underwear and a cropped camisole at my door one night and asked me if she could come in.  Would you know it, I turned her down.  The guy in me said I should have done it, but the me in me always wanted emotion first.

I share this story as it is possible to face the ugliness within and change.  As a certain someone has said, not everything has to be rainbows and lollipops.

The Narcissism Angle

This story seems relevant to me in accepting and levelling with a “diagnosis” of narcissism.  To me, a condition both worse and harder to expunge.  But this time I don’t have a team giving me an intervention, I have one person who levelled this at me.  But what cost to me if I believe her, if I accept it, if I work on it anyway?

I have to say to myself, what purpose would it serve her to level this at me if were not true (at least for her)?  I have to say to myself, what is the difference really if she feels that aspects of my character and behaviour reflect these traits, even if I have never seen them before?  Isn’t it the same thing—if the effects are there, then what difference does it make?

What am I going to do about it?

The first step towards healing is understanding.  I will self-identify aspects of my actions, feelings, words, and deeds to see if I spot narcissistic tendencies.  When I see them and write about them, I will identify them (in these posts).  Same in my normal life.  I will take up the cudgel with my therapists and work to identify and let go of these traits.

Who am I doing this for?

I do this for me.  The people in my life will surely benefit, but the main beneficiary will be me.  To remove corrosive aspects of our personalities is very liberating, and those in our lives who benefit from it will reflect it back to us.

I am also conscious that I have lost someone very important to me from it, whether I like it or not.  I don’t do this for her, or with any intent to go back to her.  I am not sure that we can ever go back, and I am not sure that I would be able to go back, either within me or within her.  Time will tell if such is meant to be.

Please tell me your thoughts with your vote

Dear reader, what do you think?  Am I a narcissist?  Let me know either way…in the comments or by leaving your vote.

My best friend (who doesn’t think I am a narcissist and who is relieved that you-know-who is out of my life) has told me that self-love and service are the two ways to wipe-out narcissism.  An interesting choice of words.

“Narcissism is an easy diagnosis for angry people to make to point fingers and absolve their own accountability and play the victim,” she said…and she most definitely believes that this is the case with my wife. 

I can never go back

We can’t go back in life.  We move on, move forward, but we can keep learning from people in our past long after they are no longer in our lives.  This will have to be one of those instances…

How to let go of the scourge of narcissism?

Do we need to accept the diagnosis to move forward with these forms of growth?  Perhaps not.  Here are some things I will do, you could do, anyone can do:

  • Move from self-esteem to self-compassion
  • Treat yourself with kindness rather than comparing yourself to others
  • Accept yourself as you are, don’t evaluate yourself against anyone else, and let go of the need for praise and recognition
  • Stop talking and listen: nurture your ability to listen to others.  Be curious.
  • Cultivate a commitment to others: be reliable and keep your promises, be on time and do what you say you will—these are important forms of respect
  • Stop making excuses for yourself when you feel anger, upset, or behave in an inconsiderate manner
  • Express your feelings, show your vulnerability
  • Ask for help: from your friends, from a therapist, from a spouse or partner

This is only the first step…a half-hearted acceptance is an opening.  But who on earth in their right mind would actually want to be a narcissist or even to display narcissistic tendencies?  Not me.  So, I no longer look at her with a desire to push back.  I accept the challenge.  I’ll let you know how I get on.

25 thoughts

  1. Hello, my gorgeous friend! First, I admire you putting this out there. Looking at ourselves with this level of reflection is no easy task, and can be very painful. Second, I want to echo what one of your therapist’s said. Many of us have some of the traits that are a part of the narcissism diagnosis…that does not make us a narcissist. I also want to say that this term has become a bit of a buzzword in American culture. If we are to believe magazine articles, far more than 6% of us would be narcissist. I have only met two individuals who are clinically diagnosed as narcissists. Some commonalities of these two people, beyond what you often read about narcissists in non-peer reviewed studies, is that they have both done serious jail time…because they do believe that they are above everyone and everything else (including the law). Do I believe you to be a diagnosable narcissist? No, I do not. You are kind and thoughtful. You may be highly focused on coming into your own as a non-binary person, which some may argue is self- centered (I would NOT argue that, by the way)… but even in all of that, you stop to consider the pain it is causing your wife, and how it might affect your children. That is not congruent with being a narcissist. I see you as a beautiful, thoughtful soul… and a brave person on a very challenging journey. Much love, my friend! ❤

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    1. You are very knowledgeable on this. That makes your post doubly special. None of my therapists, who are actually qualified to make such a diagnosis, agree with it at all. One of them in particular was quite miffed about it and called it uncalled for…her own assessment is that I am the opposite of a narcissist–that I struggle to assert my own boundaries for my self and take on too much of the other person’s issues–and boy is that true in relation to both wife and ex-M…And every single one of my therapists have said, “I’m glad it’s over,” and “I am not surprised,” and I am thinking “hang on a moment, what?” And their replies, “you could see it wasn’t healthy, and I am glad that you practised the self-love it took for things to break–regardless of who took the decision or whether you had the strength to, you knew that it needed to happen.” And they are right, and I am feeling great, and quite relieved.

      Of course they also think that being submissive is something I will “grow out of”, but I think you and I know that is not likely. It’s funny how people get so hung up on relationship equality when it is equity that matters–I learned this from a lifestyle Domme in London…and she was right. I so look forward to meeting someone that I can just be with.

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      1. YES! I have never heard it framed that way… about equity, rather than equality. Thank you for passing that on, beautiful. Desiring to submit to another and wanting to embrace this part of yourself is not something to “grow out of”. It is a beautiful expression of your sexuality and part of what makes you uniquely you. If you are seeing therapists who don’t understand that… you are seeing the wrong ones! Aren’t any of them kink-friendly? Though, I am learning that many therapists claim to be “kink friendly” when they have absolutely no understanding of the lifestyle…

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      2. Hello angel! I have two kink friendly therapists: one is a classic talk therapist and she is my main one, and though I don’t know, I believe she is active in the lifestyle and is also submissive. The other is a hypnotherapist and spiritual healer and she is with me on the journey towards the feminine. This other therapist is not kink aware or trans aware, but she is an amazing cranio-sacral therapist and more darn degrees—she is world-renowned, so I put up with her misuse of language and mistaken ideas because she’s that good. And today I discovered my Reiki healer has some pretty extreme political views, but what a healer. And here I am wearing a really pretty sky blue linen skirt and white linen blouse about to board a flight to destiny. We must move forward. Bless you my friend.

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  2. my experience resonates with this. i personally believe i am a covert narcissist who has fooled everyone, including myself for many years, that i am a “good” person (whatever that even means). therapy for me was just one way i could receive a supply that didn’t contribute to my guilt and shame. i discovered, without consciously trying, that i could easily avoid talking about things that make me look bad, creating a false identity made of both facts and an absence of facts. every so often i’d ask him if i was a narcissist and he would assure me i wasn’t, and nearly all the things he said were just like what your counsellors said: that i couldn’t be a narcissist if i was worried about being a narcissist; that i had always done the right thing; that i was certainly a psychological outlier on the bell curve of humanity. i think covert narcissists enjoy telling one other they’re not narcissists, because it collectively normalizes a higher degree of narcissistic behaviour, which not only indirectly helps them fit, it also acts as supply, because we need to believe we are good people. hence, i will, in a mood, find another covert narcissist, feel all sorts of overflowing human emotions for them, encourage them, tell them they are special, talk them off the ledge, etc. i believe these emotions are real, at least in the moment. but the evidence i do not actually care is in the details. i forget about their existence entirely, OR obsess over them unhealthily, as soon as i have acquired enough supply to go on with my day. covert narcissists can be really emotional, and i am certainly that. i was able to hide it most of the time when i identified as male, but i would still have angry outbursts. as a trans femme, i find it hard not to spend entire days weeping about how terrible the world is, how lonely and misunderstood i am, and how much i secretly hate all the people who i perceive to have failed me. i look at my past relationships, and there is a pattern of me selecting partners who are clearly more selfish than me, so i can feel morally superior. my life is an unenviable mess that i can’t stop pretending is almost-perfect, and i have a difficult time with daily life tasks, because a part of me needs to be receiving validation constantly or it loses all motivation. not a day i don’t consider putting myself out of my misery.

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    1. Hi Monica. Thank you for sharing. That is some pretty powerful stuff. I have wondered the same–not surprising I guess, is it? The other day I wondered for a moment if this whole transgender thing is happening because it is part of a giant narcissistic excuse or desire to hide from the real me, the ugly me, the emotionally unavailable, selfish me. But then I remember how I felt as 4 year old…how I ached with a desire to be female at night as I drifted off to sleep, and how sad I was in the morning when nothing had changed. I don’t really know much about how narcissism starts, but I think that the behaviours you describe in yourself make you not a narcissist. You describe yourself and others in ways that are not consistent with narcissism. People who mercilessly use people are narcissists. People who are fundamentally cold and indifferent to the suffering they cause are narcissists. The person who called me a narcissist had many of the traits that make for a narcissist…I don’t. I am the opposite…and I suspect you are too if you are as you describe.

      The person who called me a narcissist felt I was that way because she felt I was manipulating her…She felt that me wanting more from her than she gave was narcissist…she felt me pushing against her boundaries was further proof. I tried to see it from her perspective, but the truth is, I wasn’t getting what I wanted from our relationship because she didn’t give what I wanted…and it wasn’t any more complicated than that. I wasn’t happy with it because it wasn’t working. And by the same token, it didn’t work for her. Its a pity because there were many reasons for us to like one another. We don’t always need to look very far for explanations…I wanted something more and different because I wasn’t getting what I was looking for from her…and that dissatisfaction led her to be in breach of my boundaries, and my response to this put me in breach of her boundaries.

      Narcissists have a very different approach…and I do think that your therapists (and mine) are right.

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      1. i hear you, but i don’t think very much research is done on covert narcissism, most people only know of overt and malignant. i may or may not still have covert NPD, and i believe one can appear to be a good person in that case (think *most Canadian politicians*) but it doesn’t change the fact that the covert narcissist performs their role in society in response to a literal void inside them where their parents’ love should have been

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      2. You’re giving me homework! I had never heard of covert narcissism until you came along. I wonder about it. I guess on some level we all have tendencies that might be common to narcissists to varying degrees…I think of narcissism as a kind of cold manipulation for self-gain…a kind of cynical treatment of humanity.

        The only two people in my life who ever levelled the narcissism label at me were coming from questionable places. One of them is most definitely a narcissist herself, and calling me such was either a severe case of gaslighting and projecting or a lack of confidence that manifested itself in not believing that she was worth it–looking at my motives as having an ulterior purpose other than her pleasure…

        The other person was my wife after I told her I was transgender. The logical leap for that was pretty big–here is a person who has sublimated their deepest need to create, preserve, maintain marital bliss and harmony at great psychic cost…

        If narcissism is covert, is that not just another way of saying it is not really narcissism as the signals are too faint? Do you really think you are a narcissist to the point that you are even fooling yourself? That seems like an Escher stairwell–a logical möbius strip. No way out.

        Thanks again for your rich and engaging comments.

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      3. I think it is more of the evidence of me looking back on my life in retrospect, realizing that I always thought I was being a good person, and also consciously acknowledging that I definitely wasn’t, and the number of times I get uncomfortable reading accounts of other people’s brushes with narcissistic sociopaths, because their behavior just sounds like an amplified version of what I was doing. maybe i’m being harsh on myself. idk. but it feels like i have a trust and self-esteem deficit that is pathological, and whether i run around sadistically gaslighting people or not, i still live with that. it still distorts my perception of situations, it still compels much of my behaviour.

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  3. I don’t want to dismiss your thoughts on the subject, and I am guessing you have thought about it a lot, but it sure seems to me that your introspection and also your reflections are not consistent with the thinking patterns of a narcissist.

    I am sorry that you have self-esteem issues. Practising self-love is so hard when you don’t believe it, and yet it is the foundation of healing. It is quite the conundrum.

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  4. Who knows…Life is so complicated, and its like, there are so many ways to think of things…perspective isn’t just one person’s or another’s…we can have multiple perspectives inside ourselves.

    My lessons for life have been two: people that don’t add positive energy to you, no matter who they are (including family; especially family), need to be shown the door. Don’t try to figure it out, just be, and enjoy the process.

    The threads of joy lie all around us. Most of us pass through life without seeing them…but you can see them if you look and listen…and then you pull on them, and follow them, and everything will change. I promise.

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      1. Do you have a therapist? I don’t think I really know anyone with BPD other than possibly one of my brothers…just reading up on it now, it fits him quite well.

        My bestie is also attracted to narcissists–don’t read anything into that please–she has a bad habit of dating narcissistic men. I am not attracted to narcissists…they’re toxic.

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